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welcome folks to paying radio tonight is

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Sunday September 28th 2014 welcome to

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the show we have a hell of a good show

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in store tonight for you we got nick

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redfern what talking about his book

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Close Encounters of the fatal kind it's

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going to be a good angle and my co-host

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ken has actually worked on a case in the

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book pretty close so it's going to be a

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great show a lot of insight on what's

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really going on in you you apology with

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basically people dying in that that no

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information but ken welcome to the show

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hey welcome to all of our listeners and

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this is good i think going to be a

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really really good show i've been

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looking forward to interacting with nick

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redfern and discussing the book you're

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right i have worked on at least one of

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the cases in the book and we could do

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dwell vin to that when we have him on

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cool very cool you got any shoutouts as

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we can yeah i just wanted to shout out

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to George and Patty and Doug and and

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Larry and chance he still owes me 10

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minutes he hasn't paid off his debt yet

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but that's okay I'll get him there you

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go there you go and I'm gonna do a

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shuttle to uh my other mother Deborah

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Anderson over in Duluth Minnesota she's

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listening intensely she loves Nick

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Redfern too so it's going to be a great

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show tonight any other shuttles shuttle

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it's out there arm my friend Chris hazel

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over in England is working on setting up

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cameras near near where he lives can to

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try to capture some possible crop

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circles so he's going to start some type

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of uh I forget what he messaged me

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earlier some funding to help him record

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and get them videos on if he can capture

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any actual crop circles being formed

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over in England so that'd be neat if he

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catches something Oh that'd be excellent

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I I you know I don't know what to make

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of crop circles I guess in my case the

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jury's still out but I would like to get

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somebody on that has investigated them

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and knows you know more about it

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obviously than I do it because I would

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like to be able to discuss it and 12

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into it I don't know what to make of

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them I like i said the jury's still out

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in my case yeah i mean there are a lot

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of hidden clues in them by the different

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shapes and messages i mean we are the

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aliens trying

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contact us warn us of our our fate what

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you know we're destroying the planet who

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knows but someday that that may be

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figured out and they have captured I've

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seen one video of orbs of light forming

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one in a field over in England and then

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they just take off floating and that's

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the only evidence we have if it's real

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evidence or not we don't know yeah well

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Lauren Lorna if you're listening I know

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you have contacts out there and if you

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can think of anybody shipping more way

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just get i get really befuddled when to

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think that you know aliens would

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communicate with us by scribing you know

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pictures in a wheat field or barley

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field or a cornfield I mean there I

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don't know I and you look at some of the

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ancient scribblings on cave walls and

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stuff and some of those crop circles

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emulate that yeah yeah yeah and I was I

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the inka inka stones um some some pretty

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weird stuff to with you know men with

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telescopes looking up in the sky carved

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on these rocks um you know yeah yeah

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what's up with that I yeah and I like I

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said I it it befuddled me to to to get

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on crop circles it's one of those

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enigmas that I really don't know a whole

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lot i want to know more want somebody to

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come on that knows a lot more so that we

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can discuss it and maybe enlighten me so

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if your friend over there in England can

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capture something being made that would

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be pretty cool yeah well that would be

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neat and if any of our listeners have

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any ideas for crop circle researchers

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you can email us at inception radio

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network at gmail com or email us at

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paying radio gmail com if you have any

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ideas or actually have contacts of

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researchers I mean sometimes you know

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you have your well known researcher to

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sometimes that that that guy that's out

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there that really doesn't want to be

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known sometimes finds some evidence that

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he's just not willing to share but maybe

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we could you know you know break into

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something brand new yeah yeah absolutely

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and you know it's a lot of it is just

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getting your

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boots on and going out and doing the leg

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work in the field work and examining

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what kind of evidence that you have you

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know that empirical evidence is out

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there it's a matter of just like I say

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putting on your shoes and going and

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doing it mm-hmm and speaking of that to

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Ken few years back you uh you were up in

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Pennsylvania and you um you had your

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little encounter with what the so-called

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Sasquatch or Bigfoot didn't ya yeah you

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know MJ I you know that was one of those

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things that I spend an awful my entire

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life I have spent probably ninety eight

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percent of it outdoors I'm a big outdoor

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I like to hunt and fish I like to be

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outside and up until that point I was

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one of those and you know there's never

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been a body found and and I've never

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seen anything in all of my [\h__\h] ins

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across Canada Alaska the Rocky Mountains

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the Grand Tetons Northern California

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Washington Oregon I've camped out in all

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those places I never heard or seen

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anything to indicate to me that a a

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critter of the sorts existed and then I

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go to western Pennsylvania and it wasn't

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even that wasn't even in the reason why

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we were there I mean we were I was there

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to investigate a huge flying triangle

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that had been seen by 25 30 people one

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of the witnesses was a Pennsylvania

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state trooper so I was I was going to go

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interview him I mean that was the reason

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for me going to be honest with you

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because there was a lot of aerial

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activity going on and you're right i

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stumbled into something that i now know

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that there is at least a a critter out

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there that I I don't know if Sasquatch

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is the proper name because what I saw

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was more human than 8 mm and what you

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and what you said Ken too by the way he

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ran the other way he was taking very

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very large steps oh hey I I would love

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to get that boy into the NFL okay okay

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there are some teams that could use a

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running back like that why

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within 12 feet of them mm-hmm and we had

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yeah it was interesting about that

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encounter MJ is that to this day and I

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say he I do not know if that's the

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correct Anatomy I didn't see anything to

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indicate male or female so you know it's

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just my bias mail coming out when I say

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he but he he was just as surprised to

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was a one of those freak chance

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encounters and it was like holy [\h__\h]

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right right and I still I relived that

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experience probably 10,000 times and I

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look at the drawing that we had a

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forensic FBI artists Maryland and dick

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set that up and so she sketched in did a

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damn good job of what I saw and I I look

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at that picture at least probably once a

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day I got it hanging up and I I go by

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and look at it and I often think I

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wonder where he's at now what he's doing

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no you know so there's no doubt in my

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mind I mean that there's there's a

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creature out there critter whatever you

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want to refer to him as and whether or

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not that was sasquatch you know real

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Kentucky and Ohio and Pennsylvania back

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in the 1800s and early 1900s refer to

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him as a Yahweh which means wild man of

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the forest and that's what I saw was a

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wild man I mean I don't it was but yeah

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you're right he could run he could flat

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pick him up and I used to be a pretty

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fair runner myself George I know you're

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listening and we used to run together

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and and I wasn't a speedster but I could

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go the distance but it didn't take long

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NFL teams that could use him there you

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go there you go well i'm going to read

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can't i'm in i'm gonna read Nix Nix pile

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here for our listeners arrow Nick of

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pace I'd say four to five a year at

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least but Nick Redfern works full-time

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as an author lecture and journalists he

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memoirs of a monster hunter he writes

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magazine fate and 14 times nick has also

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ancient aliens monsterQuest was one of

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UFO hunters another favorite vh1's

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paranormal bc's out of this world and

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channel proof positive so what we'll do

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to bring Nick in and we'll be live so

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get your questions ready in chat or call

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Nick so hang in there folks and we'll be

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right back and welcome back to paying

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nick redfern on the air well welcome to

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the show Nick hey guys oh you bet oh

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it's going to be a good show Nick thanks

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for coming on tonight we're talking

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about your book Close Encounters of the

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fatal kind suspicious deaths mystery

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murders and bizarre disappearances in

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the UFO history Nick what got you

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interested in this type of mystery well

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I guess when you still write books on

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unsolved mysteries over two UFOs or big

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for any other stuff a lot that I write

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about you always want to try and sort of

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bring something new to the Raiders

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that's one of them

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things I always think about when I'm

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writing a book you know you don't want

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to just go over all ground so the

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challenge is to come up with something a

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bit different and we're not sort of

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casting around for ideas this is

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probably going back about 18 months or

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so now I figured well you know what I'm

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going to do for the next book and then

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it just occurred to be reading an

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article one day actually an old article

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from the early 70s on mysterious deaths

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in the UFO field and I thought well

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yang-gon this article's like 44 years

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old and on top of that nobody's ever

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really done a book but under one cover

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covered as many of the sort of strange

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deaths in ufology as was possible so

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what I did I thought about you know I'll

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do sort of a few months research seeing

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how many cases the were what the cases

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were how valid incredible they were and

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so on so that's what I did and then sort

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of realize that you know there were a

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lot of good quality cases and more

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importantly many that either had hadn't

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been very well investigated or where I

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was able to add sort of significant no

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material to the cases so that that was

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basically the the idea that sort of

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prompt you know the writing of the book

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go ahead Ken well I know Nick I have for

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years and years and years and years

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whenever I gave a talk or was talking to

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people I always stressed the point that

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having a encounter with an alien craft

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is not a canoe is not necessarily a

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benign situation that there have been

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people that have been seriously injured

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and or have been killed or gone missing

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and your book I mean really epitomizes

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just that that this is not something you

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know like going out and photographing

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butterflies okay this is something that

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if you haven't encountered there's a

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risk involved yeah I think when you look

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at the cases overall I think I mean

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obviously you know we haven't been sort

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of widespread

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and wiped out or anything like that

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however in saying that I think that what

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some of these cases demonstrates in

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terms of the UFO angle of you know the

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phenomena itself be responsible I think

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it shows sort of a like a district not

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necessarily a deliberate disregard in

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terms of being evil but just you know

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it's kind of like somebody steps on an

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ant that kind of thing mething purchased

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an ant and I think it's kind of like

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that that the what we perceive maybe is

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hostility because the ends up with

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people dead may actually just be total

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disregard because I really don't think

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of us you know beyond whatever purpose

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they have for you know you really put us

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down on the totem pole din your neck and

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aunt yeah it's kinda like human a ego

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you know we always think we're the

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biggest I know that's about it and you

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know in reality we may be a long way

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down you know the license oh yeah I

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suspect that we are you know if given

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their actions and I'm speaking of you

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know the ones that come here and abduct

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our citizens at will that's pretty

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arrogant on their part I mean they come

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and go as they please and they do as

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they please well yeah I mean you make a

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good point there because we're abductees

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often told that what's done is for their

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own good and for the greater good of

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everybody else but I often wonder if

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that is the case why is he done so

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stealthily you know why is he done in

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the dead of night why people's minds

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sort of wiped clean to try my even

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forget about the incident I know a lot

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of people have spoken abductees have a

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very positive feeling about their

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abduction scenarios but I can't help

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having me sort of nagging feeling that

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it's actually more for their benefit

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than ours and might not really be to any

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of us benefit if you were if you read

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any of the Betty and Barney Hill they

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they were frightened that there wasn't

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anything in that encounter

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put them at ease now and I sometimes

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think the situation where people reports

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a positive experience I sometimes wonder

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if it's kind of like when people get

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kidnapped you know there's this

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particular sin job I forget what it's

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called now where people start grab it

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yeah that's right yeah where people

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gravitate towards their kidnappers and

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they kind of have a weird bond with them

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and I think it could be something along

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those lines that you know they're very

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the entities themselves in very

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emotional as and work like well and

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people it's the exact opposite sometimes

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yeah see here's the here's the cop side

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in me now and and that's my background

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nick is you know 31 years and questions

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pop into my mind and what if they're

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those that those encounters where people

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think that it's benign that they're here

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for the benefit of mankind and they come

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away with a positive feeling since we do

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not know what their agenda and they're

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being ET we don't know what their agenda

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is that might be just a front I mean

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they may be being a furious as hell okay

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all right Abby they may have something

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up their sleeve that you and I and a

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rest of us may not like well you make a

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good point there because I mean people

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often say why doesn't the government

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tell the truth by UFOs but my argument

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is well you know if you want to question

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someone or have criticisms why not

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pointed in the direction of the

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phenomena because they're not doing

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anything to show themselves either right

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now I mean the idea of sort of skulkin

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around in the middle of the night

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kidnapping people all these stores at

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genetic experiments and DNA taken and

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things like this and testing out our

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defenses and shutting down missile

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systems some people think this is all

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positive oh you know they're going to do

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it so can never start a nuclear war but

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when you look at it from the other

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perspective as well that you can't you

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can't take like a sinister suspicious

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angle towards it you know well I know

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for a at least having a little bit of a

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insight several objects almost did start

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a nuclear war and that was back there in

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1974 Vaako

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where I was working in the communication

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center for the Strategic Air Command and

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we went on and well one alert below were

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they let's put it this way the Bombers

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were going to their failsafe failsafe

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points and the missile silos the hatches

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had been opened and launch codes were

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being given out I mean that's how

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serious this situation was and the

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objects that came into our airspace and

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flew out of our earth space really

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didn't give a rat's ass if we were going

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to go to at least that was my impression

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but I was just a sergeant and I'm i was

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on the low end of the totem pole but i

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happen to be in the communications room

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when that happened and but i mean if

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somebody higher up the food chain hadn't

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had more information and had more

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insight into it maybe they they knew

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something obviously that i did but we

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still went on that high alert ok these

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are gonna trade yeah so that's a good

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point i mean these things seem to come

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and go and i do their own thing and like

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i said they always say it's for our

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benefit elites of a good of the future

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but to me I don't really see what

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they've done to help us so far maybe

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I've not seen the bigger picture but I

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mean you know the world today he's like

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as unsafe as it was in the Second World

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War you know this is a deep end of

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respect is even worse this is an eyelet

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marble I mean there is there's a there's

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a a lot of crap going on I don't think

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there's a continent that it doesn't have

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some type of armed conflict going on it

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maybe the Arctic I don't know but don't

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but I mean it seems like there's

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fighting going on which given the type

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of toys that we have nowadays compared

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what we had in World War two these are

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some pretty dangerous times well you're

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right i mean you look back at the Second

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World War yes the entire planet was at

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war but we didn't have the ability then

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to destroy the entire planet now we do

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you know if you look at everything as I

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said in terms of what are they doing

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versus what they're not doing well I

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mean you look at fact that we never feel

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like overpopulation on a massive scale

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you know all the strange stuff going on

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with the

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whether walls viruses you know ice caps

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that kind of thing and you know that the

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whole issue of young kids today you know

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that their Health's not what it should

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be you know more and more becoming

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diabetic at an early an earlier age and

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and so in that sense there's a lot of

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negativity that the aliens have been

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telling us for 50 years oh you know

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we're going to put it all right oh great

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cake wait you know that I all-powerful

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how long does it actually take to put

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things right well and once again we're

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back to their motive and their agenda if

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it may not you know I'm of the opinion

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that the one of the races that are

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coming here has a vested interest in us

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okay and I'm one of those people that

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think there's more than one species

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coming into the solar system but you

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know be that as its may we still don't

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know what the true agenda is and you

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know there may be a race here that could

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give a rat's ass like I said whether or

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not we destroy ourselves or not as long

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as they get what they are looking for or

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what they're after on this planet for

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some reason yeah i think you know when

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you people say all that good or bad i

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don't think it's that black and white

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you know people aren't good or bad we

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all for the most part try and do the

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right thing you know most of us don't

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rob banks or murder people not because

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we don't think we're not going to get

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away we do because we know we shouldn't

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do it you know that's not right you

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murder people but everybody has be a

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girly to kill you know I'm if so he

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breaks into your house and threatens

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your wife husband children whatever you

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know if you've got a gun sometimes it

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gets used and it's in self-defense the

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person might still feel you know that it

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sort of plays on the mind that they shot

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someone but that was for you know a

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reason valid reason or if it's on the

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battlefield that kind of thing but so in

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other words well survivals and very good

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and bad on I don't think you can sort of

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delineate in one or the other you know

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it's one of those situations that one

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person's good if somebody else is bad

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and we're all capable of somewhere in

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between as well can we had a couple good

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question

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in chat correlating to to the book to do

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you think that bill from New York asks

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if this may explain why people are

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disappearing with all the trees well you

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had such a good question i mean every

538
00:23:52,170 --> 00:23:48,970
year i mean the number of people who

539
00:23:54,420 --> 00:23:52,180
vanish is huge now of course some of

540
00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:54,430
them you know the bad marriages or

541
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,110
whatever and they just want to escape or

542
00:24:00,330 --> 00:23:58,240
somebody's got money problems and huge

543
00:24:03,090 --> 00:24:00,340
debts and things like that they vanish

544
00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:03,100
and i'm sure most of the reports have

545
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:06,580
down-to-earth explanations however it's

546
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:10,330
saying that I think you know we can look

547
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:12,250
at the bigger scale and see that some

548
00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:14,410
people just vanish and do not come back

549
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:17,350
and you put that on account and you put

550
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:19,330
that on a global scale you're talking a

551
00:24:24,030 --> 00:24:22,210
lot of people a lot of humans yeah well

552
00:24:25,710 --> 00:24:24,040
you know a lot of focus has being made

553
00:24:29,370 --> 00:24:25,720
in the last few years on the whole issue

554
00:24:32,790 --> 00:24:29,380
of but national forests in the United

555
00:24:35,370 --> 00:24:32,800
States of people just go and mess in and

556
00:24:38,130 --> 00:24:35,380
stories of government agencies knowing

557
00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:38,140
something about it and this sort of huge

558
00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:41,260
cover-up of like a sort of an

559
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:44,470
unacknowledged mystery but nobody seems

560
00:24:49,650 --> 00:24:46,090
to want to talk about but there is

561
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:49,660
clearly on going and I think it's sort

562
00:24:53,610 --> 00:24:51,730
of a fascinating one but in some

563
00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:53,620
respects not completely in some respects

564
00:24:57,410 --> 00:24:55,870
ties in with some of these rumors that I

565
00:25:01,080 --> 00:24:57,420
talk about in the book of so-called

566
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:01,090
human mutilation similar to the cattle

567
00:25:06,810 --> 00:25:03,010
mutilations where there are a number of

568
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:06,820
stories of relating to sort of human

569
00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:09,010
bodies found in the woods and forests

570
00:25:14,340 --> 00:25:12,220
where your organs have gone the lips

571
00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:14,350
have been removed their eyeballs their

572
00:25:19,650 --> 00:25:17,560
tongue the sexual organs but not done in

573
00:25:21,150 --> 00:25:19,660
a fashion that sounds like he was done

574
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:21,160
by like a grizzly bear or a mountain

575
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:25,210
lion but with some sort of intelligence

576
00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:29,200
behind it now thankfully those reports

577
00:25:33,210 --> 00:25:31,870
are few and far between but equally we

578
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:33,220
could argue the reason they're few and

579
00:25:37,410 --> 00:25:35,890
far between is because whoever's doing

580
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:37,420
it was ever making these people

581
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:39,610
disappear he's actually covering their

582
00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:42,970
tracks really well in oh yeah right up

583
00:25:47,610 --> 00:25:45,220
your alley can with the harvesting well

584
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:47,620
you know I it's funny because well

585
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:49,450
was talking I was thinking exactly that

586
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:55,840
I well it's something something that you

587
00:26:01,470 --> 00:25:57,970
I'm back to the to the agenda to the

588
00:26:04,380 --> 00:26:01,480
motive you know I to me that I think if

589
00:26:08,850 --> 00:26:04,390
we if we were able to specifically nail

590
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:08,860
down one of their agenda okay that it

591
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:11,170
would go a long way obviously and

592
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,290
telling us what's going on and and

593
00:26:18,030 --> 00:26:16,240
that's the eye and that's the rub i

594
00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:18,040
think is that you know we we don't have

595
00:26:23,940 --> 00:26:21,030
that information we don't have we have

596
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:23,950
glimpses all right okay and trying to

597
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,050
put it together as a puzzle is very

598
00:26:29,970 --> 00:26:27,760
difficult if you don't have the Keystone

599
00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:29,980
i think i think the agenda is the

600
00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:31,960
keystone i think one of the problems

601
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:34,030
when we look at the agenda is that we

602
00:26:38,820 --> 00:26:37,090
always think again from our three go

603
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:38,830
perspective that if they're coming here

604
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:41,679
the main role or the main reason has to

605
00:26:46,919 --> 00:26:44,890
be to do with us well maybe we're sort

606
00:26:49,710 --> 00:26:46,929
of tangential maybe it's the planet may

607
00:26:51,780 --> 00:26:49,720
be thrown on the planet you know i mean

608
00:26:55,980 --> 00:26:51,790
we know that in our solar system at

609
00:26:58,140 --> 00:26:55,990
least the Earth's pretty unique well

610
00:26:59,760 --> 00:26:58,150
maybe places like the earth granted its

611
00:27:02,460 --> 00:26:59,770
theoretical maybe place like the earth

612
00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:02,470
are really rare you know i mean people

613
00:27:06,030 --> 00:27:04,030
talk about well what if every solar

614
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:06,040
systems inhabited that could be billions

615
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:08,530
of different species but blood on you

616
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:10,570
then what if i only one in a million

617
00:27:16,530 --> 00:27:13,090
solar systems have life supporting

618
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:16,540
worlds in that sense you know we could

619
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:19,510
be a rarity so perhaps it's the planet

620
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:21,910
that they have a vested interested maybe

621
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:23,890
the vested interest is biding their time

622
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:26,910
till we wipe ourselves out or we're gon

623
00:27:33,870 --> 00:27:31,210
find the planet well I mean yeah but you

624
00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:33,880
only had CT destroyed us in fact to wipe

625
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:35,620
out if they had to do the pro's and

626
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:38,410
wiping us out chances are he might do a

627
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:40,510
huge amount of damage to the planet to

628
00:27:45,660 --> 00:27:42,850
get rid of us all but if as a way of

629
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:45,670
getting rid of us which keeps the planet

630
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:47,290
intact you know something like a virus

631
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:51,010
maybe then that would allow them to take

632
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,130
over you know as they saw fit some maybe

633
00:27:59,340 --> 00:27:56,080
maybe something like that maybe it's

634
00:28:01,560 --> 00:27:59,350
just a case of waiting until you know we

635
00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:01,570
do it ourselves or

636
00:28:06,180 --> 00:28:03,940
we're more vulnerable and you know not

637
00:28:10,790 --> 00:28:06,190
in a position to sort of combat like a

638
00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:10,800
vibrator or something hmm interesting

639
00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:16,990
well I the you know that I I just get

640
00:28:21,210 --> 00:28:19,300
uneasy when when people say well you

641
00:28:23,550 --> 00:28:21,220
know they're here they're they're there

642
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:23,560
they won't let us fail kind of attitude

643
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:24,910
that they're here to know it's kind of

644
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:27,370
like our guardian angel and I don't see

645
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:33,430
that at all maybe you know the the let

646
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:36,360
me ask you Nick are you familiar with a

647
00:28:41,850 --> 00:28:39,130
theory that's called the war gene that

648
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:41,860
that we all carry have you heard of that

649
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:45,760
now I happen well it's a theory that you

650
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:49,090
know that the species human species has

651
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:52,570
this DNA cork in it in which we have to

652
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:55,600
combat it we have to have physical you

653
00:29:00,150 --> 00:28:58,090
know and it was put there by ET and that

654
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,160
they sit back and watch us fight among

655
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,320
ourselves knowing full well that you

656
00:29:06,090 --> 00:29:04,240
know eventually we're going to go down

657
00:29:08,790 --> 00:29:06,100
the path where we exterminate one

658
00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:08,800
another but it's called the war gene and

659
00:29:13,290 --> 00:29:11,620
I I don't know if I necessarily buy into

660
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:13,300
it but I just keep thinking about all of

661
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:16,570
these conflicts and we're talking major

662
00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:20,080
in terms of human life and casualties

663
00:29:24,450 --> 00:29:21,880
that are going on right now and if they

664
00:29:26,580 --> 00:29:24,460
were really here and cared about us okay

665
00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:26,590
in terms of our well-being and our

666
00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:30,430
development may be technologically we've

667
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:32,230
gone up the ladder but I think we're

668
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:35,050
still pretty basic primitive you know

669
00:29:39,660 --> 00:29:36,610
creatures because our favorite bat

670
00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:39,670
pastime is war yeah hey right i mean

671
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:42,070
great yeah granted our weapons are sort

672
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:43,750
of more powerful more technologically

673
00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:45,850
advanced but i mean there's really not

674
00:29:51,090 --> 00:29:48,100
that much difference in terms of what

675
00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:51,100
goes on between say the war in iraq and

676
00:29:56,430 --> 00:29:53,320
the first world war and then going back

677
00:29:59,280 --> 00:29:56,440
to let the crusades organs open you know

678
00:30:02,160 --> 00:29:59,290
it's all basically oh let's attack

679
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,170
somebody else no in there and if you

680
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:04,480
look back also the fact that you know

681
00:30:08,730 --> 00:30:05,710
when people start talking about the

682
00:30:10,050 --> 00:30:08,740
ancient astronaut scenario well if

683
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:10,060
they've been watching us fight and

684
00:30:14,890 --> 00:30:13,930
squabble since 4 or 5,000 6,000 years

685
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:14,900
ago

686
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:17,510
then it makes me wonder if they'll ever

687
00:30:23,380 --> 00:30:20,810
intervene you know maybe we assume they

688
00:30:26,350 --> 00:30:23,390
will intervene because they're here but

689
00:30:28,510 --> 00:30:26,360
if they think they are so definitively

690
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:28,520
alien and don't even necessarily think

691
00:30:34,420 --> 00:30:31,840
like us there could be multiple agendas

692
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:34,430
the way I'm thought of that really have

693
00:30:40,660 --> 00:30:37,010
nothing to do with outright contact you

694
00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:40,670
knew right yeah exactly well especially

695
00:30:44,350 --> 00:30:42,560
if you put them on you got us on the

696
00:30:46,810 --> 00:30:44,360
scale of an ant compared to them they

697
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:46,820
would it be like us trying to talk to a

698
00:30:51,220 --> 00:30:49,010
nap I mean how do you communicate you

699
00:30:53,470 --> 00:30:51,230
step on a boy lay it's like we don't

700
00:30:56,110 --> 00:30:53,480
bother chronic it's not matter we can

701
00:30:58,030 --> 00:30:56,120
current contact and so it's not in our

702
00:31:00,460 --> 00:30:58,040
interest right we just don't even bother

703
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:00,470
it might get a similar thing sure that

704
00:31:05,050 --> 00:31:03,110
they can contact or comp made the effort

705
00:31:06,370 --> 00:31:05,060
they just don't want to be bothered to

706
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:06,380
make the effort you know we're just a

707
00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:09,410
commodity perhaps sure yeah I can see

708
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:11,870
that you know but not what I think a lot

709
00:31:18,850 --> 00:31:14,570
of people in ufology don't want to hear

710
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:18,860
they want some sort of resolution and

711
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,490
I'd like resolution but I'm also

712
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:24,320
open-minded enough to think that we're

713
00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:26,030
not that important from their

714
00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:28,460
perspective that resolution is what we

715
00:31:33,550 --> 00:31:30,860
want they may just be happy to carry on

716
00:31:37,090 --> 00:31:33,560
with whatever virgin tourism you know we

717
00:31:42,730 --> 00:31:37,100
never ever find out right and then again

718
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:42,740
we may be food I'll be joking aside some

719
00:31:47,530 --> 00:31:44,450
people this gets into sort of

720
00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:47,540
controversial areas where you know on

721
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:49,070
the one hand you talk they talk about

722
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:52,640
all these hybrids being hybrid babies

723
00:31:58,660 --> 00:31:55,490
and so on well who's to say that's not

724
00:32:00,820 --> 00:31:58,670
the food you know then on the other hand

725
00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:00,830
you have the really controversial theory

726
00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:03,230
where some people have suggested that

727
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:06,590
they there somehow Vito get this gets

728
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,330
really controversial but a number of

729
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:10,240
abductees have suggested that the

730
00:32:14,830 --> 00:32:12,490
so-called Grey's were far less

731
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:14,840
interested in them physically than in

732
00:32:21,580 --> 00:32:18,890
some of the human soul yeah I'm not best

733
00:32:23,950 --> 00:32:21,590
interests it sort of rain like

734
00:32:27,370 --> 00:32:23,960
extracting the soul which suppose it

735
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:27,380
contains some sort of energy I heard

736
00:32:30,730 --> 00:32:28,730
that from one of their

737
00:32:33,970 --> 00:32:30,740
fascinated with the fact that we have a

738
00:32:36,130 --> 00:32:33,980
soul and they don't yeah but you kind of

739
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:36,140
that series kind of like in the matrix

740
00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:38,809
movies where we're all sort of living in

741
00:32:43,930 --> 00:32:41,150
this world where we think it's reality

742
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,940
but you know we're all being bled drive

743
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:45,919
electricity we like all lining these

744
00:32:49,930 --> 00:32:47,570
millions of pods you know that the

745
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,940
machines are bleeding us dry from and we

746
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:51,200
don't realize we're living in like a

747
00:32:56,830 --> 00:32:54,110
dream existence and it's kind of like

748
00:32:59,710 --> 00:32:56,840
that the idea that what if they sold

749
00:33:03,370 --> 00:32:59,720
somehow sort of recycle or use souls as

750
00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:03,380
a fourth form of energy sure look at

751
00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:04,820
look a food source which again is

752
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:06,940
controversial which one that has sort of

753
00:33:12,130 --> 00:33:09,890
circulating food well until you can

754
00:33:16,270 --> 00:33:12,140
disprove it I mean it has its place with

755
00:33:18,130 --> 00:33:16,280
any other theory okay and and hey I'm

756
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:18,140
one of those I could see where that

757
00:33:22,990 --> 00:33:20,510
might be a possibility if these

758
00:33:24,970 --> 00:33:23,000
creatures are even though they're

759
00:33:27,010 --> 00:33:24,980
technologically so far above us are

760
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:27,020
fascinated by the fact that we have this

761
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:32,770
inner being within us our soul and the

762
00:33:37,930 --> 00:33:36,320
difference between a lot of these alien

763
00:33:40,510 --> 00:33:37,940
entities is that they all seem very

764
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:40,520
one-dimensional is no character to them

765
00:33:47,169 --> 00:33:43,760
as no individuality which oh I'm in

766
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:47,179
trouble no sense of humor open I'm in

767
00:33:53,049 --> 00:33:51,410
big trouble no Nick Nick we had a

768
00:33:55,270 --> 00:33:53,059
question from chat today this is

769
00:33:57,580 --> 00:33:55,280
something we can relate to the book do

770
00:33:59,440 --> 00:33:57,590
you know of any UFOs are sure that have

771
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,450
shot down any aircraft or space program

772
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:00,799
vehicle did you cover anything in the

773
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:03,290
book yeah actually talked about quite a

774
00:34:09,820 --> 00:34:06,110
few cases in the book of aircraft

775
00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:09,830
disappearances and sort of vanishing

776
00:34:15,399 --> 00:34:12,790
acts and things like this and certainly

777
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:15,409
I without doubt one of the most

778
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:18,770
fascinating cases was one that occurred

779
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:24,560
in November 1953 and this involved an

780
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:29,210
f-89 aircraft piloted my guy named first

781
00:34:36,490 --> 00:34:32,570
lieutenant Felix moncla and each of our

782
00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:36,500
from a base called tro field now that's

783
00:34:42,610 --> 00:34:41,389
TR aux and basically what happened was

784
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:42,620
that he

785
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:45,110
vectored on to some sort of unknown

786
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:50,000
target flying over lake superior and he

787
00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:52,250
couldn't see anything visually but

788
00:34:58,450 --> 00:34:54,710
ground personnel were tracking this

789
00:35:01,120 --> 00:34:58,460
object on radar and as moncler got

790
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:01,130
closer to the object he study was able

791
00:35:06,190 --> 00:35:04,280
to track it on radar as well and the

792
00:35:08,110 --> 00:35:06,200
ground crew back to him close and said

793
00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:08,120
okay just intercept it and see what it

794
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:09,740
is I mean it was it was a stretch but

795
00:35:14,590 --> 00:35:12,230
there was a concern one having some sort

796
00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:14,600
of Russian spy plane that it sort of

797
00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:16,580
drifted off course or worse was it

798
00:35:22,180 --> 00:35:18,500
something you know a penetrating our

799
00:35:24,670 --> 00:35:22,190
defenses or whatever and what happened

800
00:35:27,570 --> 00:35:24,680
was that the two blips on the radar at

801
00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:27,580
the base actually merged into one and

802
00:35:33,130 --> 00:35:31,100
the initial thought was they collided

803
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:33,140
but well that was the obvious thought

804
00:35:39,490 --> 00:35:36,310
and calm down in Lake Superior so

805
00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:39,500
literally immediately an emergency

806
00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:42,280
response team of aircraft was sent out

807
00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:47,720
we powerful flashlights and beams etc

808
00:35:53,470 --> 00:35:51,260
and ships and boats that are on the lake

809
00:35:54,850 --> 00:35:53,480
were asked to sort of help as well and

810
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:54,860
you know just look around can you see

811
00:36:01,060 --> 00:35:57,650
any wreckage anything like that nothing

812
00:36:05,050 --> 00:36:01,070
was actually ever found no told telltale

813
00:36:08,020 --> 00:36:05,060
wreckage no like gasoline or oil slicks

814
00:36:10,090 --> 00:36:08,030
on the surface of the lake no wreckage

815
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:10,100
nothing came floating to the surface at

816
00:36:15,310 --> 00:36:12,410
all for all intents and purposes the

817
00:36:17,410 --> 00:36:15,320
aircraft was literally gone the crew

818
00:36:20,650 --> 00:36:17,420
were gone and the other blick whatever

819
00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:20,660
it was was gone as well now what makes

820
00:36:25,930 --> 00:36:23,750
this really weird is that I mentioned

821
00:36:30,580 --> 00:36:25,940
this occurred on the night of November

822
00:36:32,140 --> 00:36:30,590
23rd 1953 a markless plane took off from

823
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:32,150
this place called troll field which is

824
00:36:37,690 --> 00:36:34,910
in Madison Wisconsin well it turns out

825
00:36:41,650 --> 00:36:37,700
that that was actually the second event

826
00:36:44,290 --> 00:36:41,660
of the day on the morning of the 23rd an

827
00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:44,300
identical play in an f-89 scorpion

828
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:46,840
aircraft flying out of the same base

829
00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:49,970
plummeting to the ground and killed the

830
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:53,030
pilot and the radar operator actually

831
00:37:00,040 --> 00:36:56,510
crashed it like a swampy pool like

832
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:00,050
type area a number of people reported

833
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:03,050
seeing a flying saucer in the direct

834
00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:07,430
vicinity at the time and obviously that

835
00:37:12,370 --> 00:37:09,140
you know the plane wasn't taken away the

836
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:12,380
crew and kidnapped but it's sort of to

837
00:37:17,950 --> 00:37:15,200
me at least beyond coincidence should

838
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:17,960
have been two incidents across 12 hours

839
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,090
for the same basis ain't other aircraft

840
00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:22,160
one in which the crew were killed and

841
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:23,900
the other one in which the crew just

842
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:25,910
vanished so that that's sort of for me

843
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:28,790
it's one of the best not best in terms

844
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,710
of over to the clue but best in terms of

845
00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:32,960
credibility of showing that there have

846
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,590
been cases where planes do see two

847
00:37:40,570 --> 00:37:38,720
disappeared at the hands of UFOs yeah

848
00:37:42,730 --> 00:37:40,580
that's right in my backyard I am on the

849
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:42,740
western side of Lake Superior and that

850
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:44,510
happened over on the eastern side I

851
00:37:49,930 --> 00:37:46,850
believe it wasn't a Canadian part of the

852
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:49,940
lake I think Nick yeah one theory that

853
00:37:53,770 --> 00:37:52,010
what off me what explanation that was

854
00:37:56,110 --> 00:37:53,780
put forward was that could it have been

855
00:37:58,300 --> 00:37:56,120
some sort of Canadian plane and that was

856
00:37:59,950 --> 00:37:58,310
mooted until the Canadian someone died

857
00:38:02,440 --> 00:37:59,960
you say he was one of our planes and

858
00:38:04,930 --> 00:38:02,450
ratchet he'd never plane in the area and

859
00:38:08,140 --> 00:38:04,940
even if we did you know why aren't we

860
00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:08,150
missing one and where's the wreckage got

861
00:38:11,650 --> 00:38:10,190
means they've had divers you know going

862
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:11,660
down to the extent that they could to

863
00:38:17,020 --> 00:38:14,450
try and you see if anything could be

864
00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:17,030
seen at all and there was just not a

865
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,550
single thing so the very very weird

866
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:21,680
cases still hasn't been resolved so

867
00:38:26,620 --> 00:38:25,010
there's e61 years later I was thinking

868
00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:26,630
we were talking was it I'm not

869
00:38:30,910 --> 00:38:28,310
pronouncing his name right problem but

870
00:38:34,030 --> 00:38:30,920
Freddy Valentich bala-tik out of

871
00:38:39,790 --> 00:38:34,040
Australia black [\h__\h] molec teach ya out

872
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:39,800
of Australia you know that was a that's

873
00:38:42,850 --> 00:38:41,210
a good one I mean that that's like a

874
00:38:46,990 --> 00:38:42,860
classical on Frederick lens which this

875
00:38:49,180 --> 00:38:47,000
young pilots who actually got his

876
00:38:53,350 --> 00:38:49,190
pilot's license as a teenage and he's

877
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,360
only 21 when he vanished in 1978 and he

878
00:38:59,950 --> 00:38:55,280
was making a nighttime flight over the

879
00:39:02,050 --> 00:38:59,960
Australia's best rates and the he was in

880
00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:02,060
contact pretty much until the time he

881
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:04,940
vanished with the ground personnel and

882
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:07,370
everything was going fine until the

883
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,170
latex said he could see these we

884
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:12,720
lights flying under in which the reason

885
00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:15,330
he called the the ground control people

886
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:17,070
was because you know if you see an

887
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:18,450
aircraft for the most part it's like a

888
00:39:23,540 --> 00:39:20,970
green red and white combination of

889
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:23,550
lights and you're they're flashing off

890
00:39:28,850 --> 00:39:26,280
and on and so forth well this object had

891
00:39:30,350 --> 00:39:28,860
a number of just like white lights and

892
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:30,360
there was no sort of flashing or

893
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,680
anything like that at all he couldn't

894
00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:34,560
figure out what configuration of the

895
00:39:39,140 --> 00:39:37,140
lights were or what sort of our God

896
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:39,150
would have lights like that all he could

897
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:41,730
make out for why was the lights but then

898
00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:43,650
he said the object closed in on him

899
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:45,750
almost like playing a game of cat and

900
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:47,490
mouse and toying with them and got very

901
00:39:52,580 --> 00:39:50,850
close at one point it was however if

902
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:52,590
he'd appear to be hovering over him what

903
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,300
he was actually doing was keeping an

904
00:39:58,940 --> 00:39:56,880
identical speed with him and that's when

905
00:40:03,170 --> 00:39:58,950
Valenti's got really sort of frightened

906
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:03,180
and and again said to the grand personal

907
00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:04,650
you know are you tracking this and they

908
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:06,900
said no we're just tracking you then

909
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:08,760
suddenly there was this weird like a

910
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:12,450
metallic almost screeching or groaning

911
00:40:16,970 --> 00:40:15,420
kind of thing down the the lines and

912
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:16,980
that was the last that was heard of

913
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:19,110
valenta CH his plane was never found he

914
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:21,930
was never found again like with the 53

915
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:26,820
case no wreckage on the on the ocean no

916
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:31,110
oil no gasoline nothing and so the only

917
00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:34,260
saving grace is that a couple years ago

918
00:40:39,140 --> 00:40:36,390
through Australia's freed of Information

919
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,150
Act the entire file on the villains each

920
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:41,520
case was Declassified enemies a huge

921
00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:44,970
fire inches thick and I said the only

922
00:40:49,340 --> 00:40:47,270
saving grace is it shows that the

923
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:49,350
Australian Department of Transport

924
00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:52,170
really did the best they could to try

925
00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:53,700
and solve it you know for the sake of

926
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:55,260
the family and so on you know there

927
00:40:58,970 --> 00:40:56,730
wasn't a cover up anything like that it

928
00:41:00,590 --> 00:40:58,980
was just you know I tried their best but

929
00:41:03,140 --> 00:41:00,600
there was just nothing it was just a big

930
00:41:07,330 --> 00:41:03,150
mystery but that that case of a early

931
00:41:09,590 --> 00:41:07,340
kind of parallels the lake superior 1

932
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:09,600
i'm going to throw another case at you

933
00:41:13,940 --> 00:41:11,220
Nick two from the book of the cash

934
00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:13,950
Landrum incident and mr. storage sure

935
00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:16,350
has done quite a bit of work on that

936
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:17,940
himself so can go ahead I'm going to

937
00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:21,240
turn it over to you and go at it well

938
00:41:27,289 --> 00:41:23,880
the I reinvestigated the

939
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:27,299
Betty cash Vickie Landrum and I want to

940
00:41:34,759 --> 00:41:29,970
say i had the opportunity to interview

941
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:34,769
both ladies about six hours apiece in

942
00:41:42,499 --> 00:41:38,700
their own home and and they were they

943
00:41:45,470 --> 00:41:42,509
were upstanding righteous women and i

944
00:41:47,539 --> 00:41:45,480
believe 110% of them that they

945
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:47,549
encountered something out there on the

946
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:50,940
texas farm to market road a two-lane

947
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,529
blacktop highway out in the middle of

948
00:41:57,529 --> 00:41:54,960
nowhere and they were irradiated this

949
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:57,539
this was not you know a nick was really

950
00:42:01,940 --> 00:41:58,980
interesting is that when I was

951
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:01,950
interviewing Vicki land our excuse me

952
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,440
Betty cash and she was sitting on her

953
00:42:07,249 --> 00:42:06,000
couch and she looked at me and she goes

954
00:42:10,009 --> 00:42:07,259
you know as she kept calling me

955
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:10,019
detective Ken and she goes detective

956
00:42:15,319 --> 00:42:13,500
Kent she said and I was active law

957
00:42:18,549 --> 00:42:15,329
enforcement at the time but she said it

958
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:18,559
was the most beautiful thing I had ever

959
00:42:23,269 --> 00:42:21,450
saw and she looked right into my eyes

960
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:23,279
she goes I truly thought it was the

961
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,079
second coming of Christ I thought it was

962
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,119
Jesus Christ coming back it was a

963
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:29,099
brilliant white diamond she got she's

964
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:31,140
the reason why that's the reason why she

965
00:42:41,269 --> 00:42:35,849
got out of the car okay and she got

966
00:42:43,460 --> 00:42:41,279
severely irradiated yeah yeah and go

967
00:42:44,749 --> 00:42:43,470
ahead I'm sorry no no just going to say

968
00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:44,759
you're right i mean that's sort of a

969
00:42:48,499 --> 00:42:46,380
fascinating case because you've got

970
00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:48,509
credible witnesses it wasn't that long

971
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:50,430
ago you know within cell the people

972
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:53,609
could be interviewed and he has so many

973
00:42:57,980 --> 00:42:55,619
weird aspects to it you know the fact

974
00:43:00,980 --> 00:42:57,990
that the shape of the object for stella

975
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:00,990
this weird diamond glowing object was

976
00:43:04,579 --> 00:43:02,910
almost was a unique but you know it

977
00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:04,589
wasn't sort of the average thing and

978
00:43:10,549 --> 00:43:06,990
then you have this report of a squadron

979
00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:10,559
of double rotor helicopters almost

980
00:43:14,859 --> 00:43:12,359
immediately in the vicinity if they were

981
00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:14,869
searching for it or chase in it or on a

982
00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:19,430
rainy in so to speak and then the the

983
00:43:26,839 --> 00:43:22,740
irradiation and the ill health of the

984
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:26,849
the witnesses and attempts to try and

985
00:43:33,769 --> 00:43:29,849
identify all these helicopters belong to

986
00:43:35,779 --> 00:43:33,779
and I mean it sounds it sounds like if

987
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:35,789
you know perfect story for the x-files

988
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,380
but something was you know

989
00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:40,560
one hundred percent true and you know it

990
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,030
just it just we thought that I sort of

991
00:43:47,330 --> 00:43:44,640
classic cases like Rendlesham or Roswell

992
00:43:49,580 --> 00:43:47,340
there are so many strands and credible

993
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:49,590
aspects to it that you know you know

994
00:43:56,180 --> 00:43:52,560
something clearly significant and weird

995
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,190
happened and and just so for the benefit

996
00:44:02,510 --> 00:43:58,640
of our listeners that it severely

997
00:44:04,070 --> 00:44:02,520
affected the health of all the witnesses

998
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:04,080
that were involved in fact Betty cash

999
00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:06,180
and Vickie Landrum succumb to their

1000
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:08,520
radiation poisoning they're both passed

1001
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:11,910
away you know yeah that's that's one of

1002
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:14,250
the aspects of the case you know is why

1003
00:44:18,110 --> 00:44:16,290
I'm entering the book because you know

1004
00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:18,120
the illness is and then Betty cash death

1005
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:21,230
and so on it was a very ominous case

1006
00:44:27,020 --> 00:44:24,540
yeah yeah wasn't it certainly when you

1007
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:27,030
know I go back to you know my statement

1008
00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:29,370
earlier in the show that you know UFO

1009
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:31,950
encounters are not necessarily benign I

1010
00:44:35,420 --> 00:44:34,110
in fact there's a lot more to indicate

1011
00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:35,430
that it could be hazardous to your

1012
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:37,830
health I think and and we only know of

1013
00:44:43,340 --> 00:44:42,060
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out there now a lot of our content is

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all of our lives shows are free if you

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go to our archives the vast majority of

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our archives are for free but to pay the

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please go to inception radio network com

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is the insider's club the insider's club

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listened to now what you just listen to

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is a preview of that premium content the

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insider's club is how we pay the bills

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that's how you support ire and you

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joined forces with irn to get the truth

1131
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out there now a lot of our content is

1132
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free i mean most of our content industry

1133
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all of our lives shows are free if you

1134
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go to our archives the vast majority of

1135
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our archives are for free but to pay the

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bills to help make sure this network

1137
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stays alive stays viable we offer those

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who really love our radio station or

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network and our shows an ability to

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support our network and become a part of

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Eire n actually join forces and helping

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us get the truth out there now how do

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you do this again you go to inception

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radio network com and you subscribe for

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the insider's club and you will you'll

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have access to all of our archives

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including this show the rest of the show

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a faster way of getting there go to the

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on the link and like I said you'll be

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we really appreciate your support thank

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hello everyone Laurieann Fenton here

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hosted the California MUFON radio show

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asking if you'd like special access to

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join our ends insider club as an insider

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